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GFLSüdFan hat geschrieben:@floech
Don't take it so personal. My point is this, look at a case by case basis and decide where to put a team. The Unicorns 2 are going to sleepwalk through that league and the two leagues above them. Say what you want there Kollege, but you have a team in that league that can bring GFL talent to the field if they want........ and that is bad for the sport. 2nd teams of a GFL or GFL 2 team should not start play that low, it is unfair to the other teams.

what a joke. this is a typical case of German Bureaucracy.........it makes no sense, it hurts the sport, it is a bad idea............ but it is what is written on the paper so no one can think a bit outside the box and do something smart.

the people running the sport in that area seem to have no clue as to what helps the sport. Case in point BW Cheerleading Championships being scheduled so that they caused problem with SuperBowl party scheduling. That party is a great way to introduce people to the sport and to market it...... but they make dumb schedule moves.

these same decision makers think they are professional and doing a great job....... whatever.

go ahead, argue, hate on me, whatever. but you have to admit, I have a point

You cant do a case by case basis as that makes no since. What criteria would you use to determine which teams get to start higher? I have said it a thousand times that the level of the first team is NOT an indication of how good (or bad) the 2nd team will be. Look at HBDII, Kiel II, Braunschweig II, and more recently HTII. The whole amateur club system in Germany is based on teams having to EARN their way to the higher leagues. So why should this be any different? Do you realize that the HIGHEST a 2nd team can possible go is the Regionalliga? So if you start them there that would actually be alot more unfair to the other teams busting their asses to get there.

Now if you really want to point fingers, instead of pointing them at the Verband how about pointing them at SHU leadership. If you already know the lower leagues are geared towards player development, why would you suit up any of starting GFL players on a 6th league team and risk injury to those players? What the hell are they learning and what kind of player development will a starting GFL player receive that he isnt getting when he plays at the Bundesliga level against the best competition in the country? That to me would have me saying "WTF were they thinking?" towards the SHU leadership and not towards the league.

GFLSüdFan hat geschrieben: 2nd teams of a GFL or GFL 2 team should not start play that low, it is unfair to the other teams.

Really? And what research do you base this on? Did you see what record the Holzgerlingen Twister 2 had last year in the same Landesliga? Let me help you out --- they didnt win a game at all! How bout the Rhein Neckar Bandits this year? Hmmmmm havent won a game yet... Anyone remember the Stuttgart Scorpions II or how about Marburg Mercenaries II?

I made this same point earlier in the year and I make it again...the overwhelming trend of second teams that are formed from GFL/GFL2 is that they DO NOT kill people in the lower leagues and just run through the league on their way to the Regionalliga. Quite the opposite, most 2nd teams typically find their stride and level out at the 4th to 5th league level after some years of playing on the gridiron. So do a litle research first before you make a dramatic suggestion like this because there are several holes in your thinking and history doesnt suggest that the league should make any exceptions or case by case decisions regarding GFL teams that start up a second team.

Die meisten Teams haben nicht mal im Ansatz das Geld und die Manpower (Spieler, Staff, Coaches) um eine 2. Mannschaft aus dem Stehgreif Regionalligatauglich an den Start zu schicken. Warum also?

@ WallE
you raise some valid points. very good points. I will be editing this post a bit later as I am out of time for the now.

But as Arnold said....... "I'll be back."

Schlaf ist für Pussies!

lets stay real !!!!!

was die Bandits machen und auch die Twister II von letzem Jahr ist absolut fair !!!!!


So sollte es gemacht werden !!!


Aber mal ganz ehrlich... ein Spieler der im ersten Spiel Landesliga 2 TD macht und 2 Wochen später im Top IC Game gegen die BERLIN ADLER auch 2 TD macht.... da komm ich mir ziemlich verarsch vor !!!!!!!

Bisher haben die Jungs 2 Spiele bestritten und haben weder gegen "meine Topfavoriten" die Beavers noch gegen ihren Jäger die Red Knights gespielt.
Nachdem ich mir das Video von unserem Spiel nochmal angeschaut habe habe ich 2 Teams gesehn die auf sehr ähnlichem Level gespielt haben. Der Unterschied war nur das dort immer mal wieder einer in der Defence rausgestochen ist. Dort wo wir durch eigene Fehler einen TD kassiert haben.

Mein Tip ich glaube das SHU2 bis zum Saisonende 2 mal geschlagen wird und damit sind sie keine Übermannschaft und gehören in diese Liga.
Aussdem macht es Spaß die "großen" zu Ärgern, und Spaß hatten wir in Hall genug. Da kann man jeden fragen der da war.

The simple answer would be that you lock the rosters of the the 2 teams, if your on the GFL team roster you can't play on the 2nd team. To me it's no different than if you have a GFL team and a lower league team from the same city but different Vereins, they can't interchange players throughout the season. If the GFL team has to "call up" a guy from the 2nd team due to injury then he is on the GFL team for the remainder of the season. Any player who is on the gameday roster of the GFL team at anypoint during the season is no longer eligible to play for the 2nd team.

I had assumed that was how it was supposed to work anyways. I have since learned that it isn't.
If the 2nd Team has to use players from their GFL team to beat lower league opponents, thats just a confirmation that the 2nd Team belongs in the lower league.

Parker hat geschrieben:If the 2nd Team has to use players from their GFL team to beat lower league opponents, thats just a confirmation that the 2nd Team belongs in the lower league.

Exactly!!! But I still refer to the fact that mostly all second teams in Germany are no higher than the 4th league (Oberliga). And given that typically most of these teams are offspring from GFL and GFL2 teams, I really don't see any basis in fact as to why a SHU II team should have started directly in the RL. The success of the 1st team should not automatically give a pass to the second team to get to its highest potential without earning it.

MIB #65 hat geschrieben:wo soll den das Problem sein? Die Unicorns haben 121:12 Punkte in 4 Spielen, das ist ein Ergebnis von 30:3, halte ich jetzt nicht für so ne Übermannschaft. Schau mal die Tabelle von der Verbandsliga Nord Bayern an....

Goooooood Morning!
Nein, tatsächlich hat die U2 erst 2 Spiele hinter sich gebracht und dabei im Durchschnitt ein Ergebnis von 41:6 erzielt.
Dass sie in der Tabelle mit 4 Spielen, 8:0 Punkten und 121:12 geführt werden, liegt an den beiden nicht ausgetragenen, aber gewerteten Spielen gegen Lahr (jeweils 20:0 gewertet für U2).

Jörg hat geschrieben:

MIB #65 hat geschrieben:wo soll den das Problem sein? Die Unicorns haben 121:12 Punkte in 4 Spielen, das ist ein Ergebnis von 30:3, halte ich jetzt nicht für so ne Übermannschaft. Schau mal die Tabelle von der Verbandsliga Nord Bayern an....

Goooooood Morning!
Nein, tatsächlich hat die U2 erst 2 Spiele hinter sich gebracht und dabei im Durchschnitt ein Ergebnis von 41:6 erzielt.
Dass sie in der Tabelle mit 4 Spielen, 8:0 Punkten und 121:12 geführt werden, liegt an den beiden nicht ausgetragenen, aber gewerteten Spielen gegen Lahr (jeweils 20:0 gewertet für U2).

ah, ok. Ich habs nicht nachgeschaut. Nichtdestotrotz sind doch 2 Spiele am Jahresanfang mitm Blowout absolut nichts ungewöhnliches. Und ich kann mir auch nicht vorstellen, das übermäßig viel GFL Talent am Gameday bei denen spielt.

29.05.10 15:00 Uhr Sportstätte Wendelsheim
Rottenburg Red Knights gegen Schwäbisch hall Unicorns 2

Dann wird sich schon zeigen was die können und was nicht

Oder was die red Knights können und was nicht

skao_privat hat geschrieben:Schlaf ist für Pussies!

lol, I guess I am a pussy then.