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Trismegistos
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I think the problem is that too many of you are just jealous. Mad that you cant make money playing football or who the fuck knows. Maybe german football will reach the level where they dont need to bring in imports. That will take probably 10 years or more. The fact is that in Germany football is a casual club sport.. we dont do it like that in america.. we train 5 or 6 days a week for at least 2-3 hours a day... of just football practice... then there we are in the weight room at least 4 days a week in 2 hour sessions. We invest a rediculous amount of money in equipment and coaches, and that is why bringing imports in is good. They show the players that there is another way to look at and play the game. You all need to stop bitching about imports and hating on them, and try to better your play. The 2buli and GFL would be boring and bankrupt without imports... it is part of the game.. these teams want to make money, so they get the best players that they can afford. I am sick of hearing this shit over and over again... Imports this Imports that.. concentrate on your own game and shut up about the A's and E's.
Just as a last note... It looks to me like plattling is assembling a great team for next season, and anyone who is talking shit about the age of the new players ist a moron, lets compare your "leistung" with that of the old men you are trying to insult.
Time to grow up guys, we are playing a mans sport here
Just as a last note... It looks to me like plattling is assembling a great team for next season, and anyone who is talking shit about the age of the new players ist a moron, lets compare your "leistung" with that of the old men you are trying to insult.
Time to grow up guys, we are playing a mans sport here
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Sepp's Würstloase
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Sepp's Würstloase
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Corpsegrinder
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@Bruschii: Imho, your assumption that bringing in foreign players will improve the skills of domestic players is wrong.
Examples: Premier League, the Liga Espanola, even the NBA and MLB! Great teams, best leagues in the world, but:
- England and Scotland missed the cut for the EURO 2008, their leagues are FULL of foreigners
- the Spanish national team hasn't won shit, their league is full of foreigners as well
- even the once mighty U.S. basketball teams have been humiliated lately, and bear in mind that the last three regular season MVPs (5 of 6 if you count Duncan as originally non-American) are foreign. Moreover, in the defending champs Spurs last game agains the T-Wolves, the starters included an Argentinian and a Frenchman (and Duncan as foreigner, if you so wish), and the top scorer in that game, coming off the bench, is Argentinian, too (and he scored just one point less than the American starters + Duncan scored together).
At the same time, national teams that have exported their players to foreign leagues have improved, because it's their players playing in the best leagues.
You can find sports that contradict my findings, of course, but, for the GFL, bringing in imports only improves the overall level of play, but not the skill of any German footballer.
... and what would be jealous of, exactly? Some American having to come to Germany to earn money playing football? Dream on...
Cheers, da Corpse
Examples: Premier League, the Liga Espanola, even the NBA and MLB! Great teams, best leagues in the world, but:
- England and Scotland missed the cut for the EURO 2008, their leagues are FULL of foreigners
- the Spanish national team hasn't won shit, their league is full of foreigners as well
- even the once mighty U.S. basketball teams have been humiliated lately, and bear in mind that the last three regular season MVPs (5 of 6 if you count Duncan as originally non-American) are foreign. Moreover, in the defending champs Spurs last game agains the T-Wolves, the starters included an Argentinian and a Frenchman (and Duncan as foreigner, if you so wish), and the top scorer in that game, coming off the bench, is Argentinian, too (and he scored just one point less than the American starters + Duncan scored together).
At the same time, national teams that have exported their players to foreign leagues have improved, because it's their players playing in the best leagues.
You can find sports that contradict my findings, of course, but, for the GFL, bringing in imports only improves the overall level of play, but not the skill of any German footballer.
... and what would be jealous of, exactly? Some American having to come to Germany to earn money playing football? Dream on...
Cheers, da Corpse
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tipper1700
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ich glaub dein beispiel hat ein wenig den sinn von bruschiis eintrag verfehlt..
es geht ja ned um eine liga aus nur profis, sondern um eine "semipro" bzw amateurliga..
die deutschen spieler können natürlich viel von den imports lernen, da diese ja schon auf einem ganz anderen level gespielt haben, als fast alle hier..
oder was glaubst du warum die meisten imports ins coaching miteinbezogen werden....
in den profiligen werden ja ned die ausländischen spieler geholt, dass sie den eigenen spielern was lernen sollen, sondern werden dafür bezahlt dort zu spielen...
natürlich is das auch der hauptgrund, dass hier imports geholt werden, aber trotzdem nicht unbedingt vergleichbar
also man muss hier schon unterscheiden...
es geht ja ned um eine liga aus nur profis, sondern um eine "semipro" bzw amateurliga..
die deutschen spieler können natürlich viel von den imports lernen, da diese ja schon auf einem ganz anderen level gespielt haben, als fast alle hier..
oder was glaubst du warum die meisten imports ins coaching miteinbezogen werden....
in den profiligen werden ja ned die ausländischen spieler geholt, dass sie den eigenen spielern was lernen sollen, sondern werden dafür bezahlt dort zu spielen...
natürlich is das auch der hauptgrund, dass hier imports geholt werden, aber trotzdem nicht unbedingt vergleichbar
also man muss hier schon unterscheiden...
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I'm Rick James Bitch
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@Corpsegrinder
I lost track of your point after the first sentence, can you please explain it in a way that we all could get your point. And sorry to dissappoint you, but Tim Duncan is as American as any other American. He was born and raised in the Virgin Islands aka American Territory since 1492 A.D. Sorry to go there, but a fact is a fact. And as for the GFL, when you play with or against better players, your level of play will either elevate or fall. So in closing, foreign players or import players do change the level of play in any land. As you mentioned earlier, the NBA is currently dominated by foreign players, so they do have a very big impact regardless of what sport it is.
I lost track of your point after the first sentence, can you please explain it in a way that we all could get your point. And sorry to dissappoint you, but Tim Duncan is as American as any other American. He was born and raised in the Virgin Islands aka American Territory since 1492 A.D. Sorry to go there, but a fact is a fact. And as for the GFL, when you play with or against better players, your level of play will either elevate or fall. So in closing, foreign players or import players do change the level of play in any land. As you mentioned earlier, the NBA is currently dominated by foreign players, so they do have a very big impact regardless of what sport it is.
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Stimme Dir nur ganz bedingt zu, Tipper.
Natürlich werden viele Imports mit ins Coaching einbezogen. WArum? Weil sie viel Geld kosten und ich für mein Team (und den Verein) das Bestmögliche herausholen will. Wäre der eine oder andere auch noch gelernter Kaufmann, würde man ihn zudem noch ins Office setzen
Wenn ich mich beim Coaching in den oberen deutschen Liegn noch immer auf das Wissen eines Imports verlassen will, dann muss ich mich als Verein fragen lassen, was denn mein Head- und/oder Position Coach eigentlich kann .... vielmehr nicht kann.
Es gibt so viele gut ausgebildete und gute Coaches in D, die Zeiten, dass ein 23-jähriger Division II Receiver irgendwas Aufregendes vermitteln kann, was ein erfahrener deutscher Coach nicht weiß oder kennt, sollten eigfentlich vrobei sein.
Das man Imports auch als Coaches nutzt, ist verständlich. Aber das Argument "der kann unseren Spielern was beibringen" halte ich für äußerst fadenscheinig. Fakt ist, die Jungs werden eingeflogen, um auf dem Feld Erfolg zu haben. Nichts weiter.
Oder was sollte ein George Henley z.B. nem deutschen Nachwuchs-QB beibringen? Als Ballträger ist Henley ne Kanone, als werfender und ne D beim Passspiel lesender QB war er höchstens Oberliga-Niveau. Wenn überhaupt. Da gabs nicht viel beizubringen, was die Basics dieser Position betrifft.
Natürlich werden viele Imports mit ins Coaching einbezogen. WArum? Weil sie viel Geld kosten und ich für mein Team (und den Verein) das Bestmögliche herausholen will. Wäre der eine oder andere auch noch gelernter Kaufmann, würde man ihn zudem noch ins Office setzen
Wenn ich mich beim Coaching in den oberen deutschen Liegn noch immer auf das Wissen eines Imports verlassen will, dann muss ich mich als Verein fragen lassen, was denn mein Head- und/oder Position Coach eigentlich kann .... vielmehr nicht kann.
Es gibt so viele gut ausgebildete und gute Coaches in D, die Zeiten, dass ein 23-jähriger Division II Receiver irgendwas Aufregendes vermitteln kann, was ein erfahrener deutscher Coach nicht weiß oder kennt, sollten eigfentlich vrobei sein.
Das man Imports auch als Coaches nutzt, ist verständlich. Aber das Argument "der kann unseren Spielern was beibringen" halte ich für äußerst fadenscheinig. Fakt ist, die Jungs werden eingeflogen, um auf dem Feld Erfolg zu haben. Nichts weiter.
Oder was sollte ein George Henley z.B. nem deutschen Nachwuchs-QB beibringen? Als Ballträger ist Henley ne Kanone, als werfender und ne D beim Passspiel lesender QB war er höchstens Oberliga-Niveau. Wenn überhaupt. Da gabs nicht viel beizubringen, was die Basics dieser Position betrifft.
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tipper1700
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Ich denke die meisten Teams holen Imports weil es vergleichbare Deutsche so günstig (stimmt nur teilweise) und in der Menge nicht gibt! Weil die Imports kommen nur zum spielen her! Ein Deutscher hat andere Vorstellungen und will in der Regel mehr Geld und/oder Arbeit!
Wenn man Geld hat, wie BS, kann man sich die besten Deutschen Spieler holen (Wenn man sagt das NFLE Spieler auch die besten sind). Aber wenn du für das Geld was teilweise Imports bekommen nen Deutschen holen willst, musst du hoffen das er schon in der Nähe wohnt und nicht weit fahren kann oder will!
Und das die deutschen Trainer gut sind, haben ja schon einige bewiesen. Man brauch keinen Import-Coach mehr unbedingt! Außer du willst nen Vollzeit Coach!
Die meisten Deutschen sind doch so vernünftig, sich nicht nur auf Football zu verlassen. Nur wenige können als Deutsche vom Football leben.
Wenn man Geld hat, wie BS, kann man sich die besten Deutschen Spieler holen (Wenn man sagt das NFLE Spieler auch die besten sind). Aber wenn du für das Geld was teilweise Imports bekommen nen Deutschen holen willst, musst du hoffen das er schon in der Nähe wohnt und nicht weit fahren kann oder will!
Und das die deutschen Trainer gut sind, haben ja schon einige bewiesen. Man brauch keinen Import-Coach mehr unbedingt! Außer du willst nen Vollzeit Coach!
Die meisten Deutschen sind doch so vernünftig, sich nicht nur auf Football zu verlassen. Nur wenige können als Deutsche vom Football leben.
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Corpsegrinder
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@Rick: no player gets better by sitting on the bench, watching some import play on his position. Even if the German is better, the import has good chances to still play, as he is being paid.
How many Germans do GFL teams start at QB, and what postive effect did the huge number of import QBs have on their abilities?
... and ESPN writes:
"Hakeem Olajuwon, product of Nigeria, learned the game in the funkified frat house of Phi Slama Jama before leading the Houston Rockets to two titles during the NBA's Jordan Baseball Intermission. Tim Duncan, product of the Virgin Islands, was polished at Wake Forest before hanging three banners in San Antonio. Nowitzki, product of Germany, completely circumvented the American system -- no high school, no prep school, no college -- on his way to the NBA.
(Funny thing: There are plenty of people in Texas who want to dispatch the military to the Rio Grande these days to keep out immigrants, but the state has profited athletically by being home to the three greatest immigrant 7-footers in NBA history. Where would basketball in the Lone Star State be if athletic protectionism were in vogue on draft day?)"
What reason would ESPN have to call Duncan an "immigrant 7-footer"?
Cheers, da Corpse
How many Germans do GFL teams start at QB, and what postive effect did the huge number of import QBs have on their abilities?
Are you serious? Sorry to go there, but I would've sworn it was Spanish back then. Anyhow, I'm sure you know American history...I'm Rick James Bitch hat geschrieben:the Virgin Islands aka American Territory since 1492 A.D. Sorry to go there, but a fact is a fact.
... and ESPN writes:
"Hakeem Olajuwon, product of Nigeria, learned the game in the funkified frat house of Phi Slama Jama before leading the Houston Rockets to two titles during the NBA's Jordan Baseball Intermission. Tim Duncan, product of the Virgin Islands, was polished at Wake Forest before hanging three banners in San Antonio. Nowitzki, product of Germany, completely circumvented the American system -- no high school, no prep school, no college -- on his way to the NBA.
(Funny thing: There are plenty of people in Texas who want to dispatch the military to the Rio Grande these days to keep out immigrants, but the state has profited athletically by being home to the three greatest immigrant 7-footers in NBA history. Where would basketball in the Lone Star State be if athletic protectionism were in vogue on draft day?)"
What reason would ESPN have to call Duncan an "immigrant 7-footer"?
Cheers, da Corpse
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''@Rick: no player gets better by sitting on the bench, watching some import play on his position. Even if the German is better, the import has good chances to still play, as he is being paid.
How many Germans do GFL teams start at QB, and what postive effect did the huge number of import QBs have on their abilities?''
@corpse
Players get better in practice... Look at Tony Romo.. or Tom Brady, they were bench warmers for YÈARS and now they are tearing the NFL up. In any sport it is an advantage to have better athletes around you... you learn by seeing, by observing, and by working with these atheletes.
As far as the QB question, have you played with a german QB and an American QB? I have played with both and I can tell you there is a whole world of difference,, that goes back to my earlier point about training time, equipment usw.... If you think that a young german QB cant learn from watching and practicing with an American QB, then you are too biased to be involved in a logical discussion. The jealousy is evident in your writing.
There will ALWAYS be someone warming the bench.. it is up to that person to say '' hey I want my playing time, so Im gonna do everything I can to get faster, stronger and better... and that is the beauty of sport. Improvement through competition.
How many Germans do GFL teams start at QB, and what postive effect did the huge number of import QBs have on their abilities?''
@corpse
Players get better in practice... Look at Tony Romo.. or Tom Brady, they were bench warmers for YÈARS and now they are tearing the NFL up. In any sport it is an advantage to have better athletes around you... you learn by seeing, by observing, and by working with these atheletes.
As far as the QB question, have you played with a german QB and an American QB? I have played with both and I can tell you there is a whole world of difference,, that goes back to my earlier point about training time, equipment usw.... If you think that a young german QB cant learn from watching and practicing with an American QB, then you are too biased to be involved in a logical discussion. The jealousy is evident in your writing.
There will ALWAYS be someone warming the bench.. it is up to that person to say '' hey I want my playing time, so Im gonna do everything I can to get faster, stronger and better... and that is the beauty of sport. Improvement through competition.