talent level GFL

[skao_privat]

Schenlloigkeit läss sich nicht in einem Jahr so dramatisch verbessern. Dazu müsste mehr als ein team auf level trainieren. Damit man sich über den Wettkampf verbessern kann. Ausserdem müsste das 'nachwachsende Material' ordentlcihes High School Niveau haben. Jetzt mit der Verwässerung der JGFL dürfte das weiter weg sein als je zuvor...

[twolf]

Training allein, und gute Trainer, das reicht nicht aus. Da gehört auch Spielbetrieb auf einen Höheren Level Dazu!

zu Deutsch, als guter deutscher Spieler hast du immer den Nachteil nicht auf so einen Level zu Spielen. Deshalb ist der Weg in die USA um dort zu spielen der richtige Weg.

[robinho]

So we are talking about the German National Team...
With adequate preparation I can see them being competitive against some D3/NAIA/underfunded D2's Teams...vs upper level D3 (Whitewater, Mt. Union etc) no chance in hell...
No chance vs 1-AA or 1-A...

Knorrski, is this because there aren't players with D1 level talent, or would the depth be to small (like 2nd string wouldn't even be at D3 level talentwise), or a combination of both?

[Knorrski]

There are some that have the talent to play somewhere, but you can't close a gap in athleticism in a year or two. We had these discussions when we had the NFLE meetings regarding the our National Players. I think we calculated the amount of practices (= chances to improve) that US players have once they start football compared to european players. You can't make that up in a year or two.

As you can tell it is May and I have not much to do....

[JM]

First of all: What is "talent"?

Some years ago a fellow coach and I sat in a living room trying to convince a mom and a dad to allow their son to accept a college scholarship. It was hard work but finally (it took more than one meeting) we got it done. This young man had talent - even though it was mainly athletics.

When I coached small college many years ago those players were athletically far above their German counterparts at that time. Nowadays I am coaching for a team and we have maybe five to ten players that could easily compete with the guys I coached years ago. I assume that small college football has evolved since. But I am certain that athletic ability has grown tremendously in Germany. Thanks to the NFLE and even more thanks to some young men that are eager to work and pursuit a dream. Keep working!

Interestingly a fellow coach just recently mentioned that we have some young players on our team that in his mind would get Div I scholarships if they came out of US high schools right now.

I would say bring 100 of the most talented young players together, work them like a college team would do and in three or four years they would compete at least at top Div II level. (Obviously quality coaching staff, facilities, support staff and so on provided.) My 2 cents...

[robinho]

JM,
you are talking about young talents? What is young? Under 20, or over?

And wouldn't a bunch of the more experienced & better players from the gfl increase the quality instead of just 100 young talents?

[Terry Tate]

No comparison, not a chance.

You've got to take a whole lot into account.

1. American kids play this sport much longer. Period.
2. The sheer amount of players in various division alone widens the talent gap so much.
3. The age you're looking to make the comparison - College ages range from 18 to 24 - an "experience to age ratio" is enormous

I think it boils down athleticism. Not saying that Germans are unathletic or anything, but I'll throw out an example.

Summer Olympics:
100 meter sprints: Everyone in the world can decide to run etc. and there are some very fast individuals out there, however, those events are dominated by people of similar athletic build and heritage (if I may).

Marathons: The same guy and his country men have been winning that damn event for years, yet probably don't have access to snazzy training and conditioning resources etc. They can just run for ever.

So I look at it similarly. Not everyone is meant to play football at a high level, some are. (Un)fortunately the number of "some" simply can not be overcome in my opinion.

But then I'll take another more "fair" comparison or question. If you are looking to see how a German National Team would match up to an American DII/III team, look to the German - Japan - US football championship a few years back.

Germany got beat soundly by a Japanese squad, which got crushed by an American team, that, if averaged out, has to be considered a low DII or high DIII team.

Anyway, Germany has a lot of talent, talent that if in a right setting can blossom - Vollmer as prime example.

My 0.02 eurocent

Japan

[Thalan]

I guess a German All-Time All-Star team (Vollmer, Berning, Mohr, Ritzmann, von Schamann etc.) could easily beat a D II or D I team assuming they're all playing their best football, are 25 and had some months of training together.

[skao_privat]

Kennt jemand noch den Denver Bronco Olaf Hampel?

[mdh]

Kennt jemand noch den Denver Bronco Olaf Hampel?

den, der vor der Tür vom " Ballerman" stand...


Beste Grüße

[Urgestein]

Kennt jemand noch den Denver Bronco Olaf Hampel?

Der, der sich in seiner WLAF Zeit 1995 mit Galaxy HC Ernie Stautner überworfen hatte und desshalb im WB nur auf der Bank gesessen hat ...

[Kasalla3000]

Kennt jemand noch den Denver Bronco Olaf Hampel?

den, der vor der Tür vom " Ballerman" stand...


Beste Grüße

Düsseldorfer Altstadt...der Ballermann.

[JM]

Ja.