Verbandsliga Ba-Wü Meister '10?

[Snap77]

naja ich sag mal so alles in allem waren die jungs echt cool. Es gibt in jedem Team leute die nich verlieren können und dann ausrasten, dazu gibt es die Refs die suaber gearbeitet haben und jeder hat das bekommen was er verdient hat . Freu mich auf`s rückspiel

[Rainer#74]

12.06.10 15:00 Aalen Limes Pretorians Bad Mergentheim Wolfpack
13.06.10 15:00 Ostalb Highlanders Backnang Wolverines

neuer wochenanfang neue tipps.. ^^

[jdl33]

Um mal die gewittrige Luft auch in anderen Foren raus zu nehmen!^^
Meine Meinung zum Spiel Fellbach gegen Böblingen, nich das wieder jemand weinen muss ich spreche im Namen von Fellbach.
Fellbach hatte gestern nicht das Mittel um die starke Böblinger Mannschaft zu schlagen! Die Bears Defense hielt die Offense von der Endzone fern und die Offense der Bears hat ein schönes Passpiel. Die Secundary der Warriorsdefense ist noch viel zu unerfahren für so einen QB. Und der Offense der Warriors fehlte meiner Meinung nach einfach der unbedingte Wille gegen ein hartes Team auch mal über die Schmerzgrenze hinaus zu gehen! Strafen, Gepöbel und Nicklichkeiten - sprechen wir doch mal Klartext, es geht hier um den eventuellen Aufstieg in die Oberliga. Da darf es denk ich auch gerne mal etwas kernig zur Sache gehen, wir spielen kein Hallenhalma!!! Keiner braucht sich über ein Block in the Back beklagen oder über einen Tackle unterhalb der Hüfte. Geschenkt haben sich beide Teams aber auch gar nix und es blieb alles im Rahmen. Zusammenfassend haben die Bears verdient gewonnen und Fellbach muss hart an der Beseitigung seiner Fehler arbeiten!! Auf keinen Fall sollten das junge Fellbacher Team jetzt die Köpfe hängen lassen, sondern fleissig weiter arbeiten und aus dem Spiel lernen!!! Gratulation an Böblingen!!!

The Warriors were a very strong opponent and although there were a few players that seemed to have a reckless disregard for the fact that at the amateur level this is PURELY a game of competitive sportsmanship and fun, it was overall a very good matchup of two varying styles of play. On this day the Bears were the victors and I agree, the Warriors have no reason to hold their heads low -- they were simply beaten by a better team.

Both teams are young but in my opinion it is just further proof that instead of trying to dumb down the offense and defense schemes that we see in the lower leagues we should actually begin to expect more from the athletes and LET them develop their full potential as football players. Double Wing is an effective offense and can definitely be used to pummel teams into submission, but in the end when it comes right down to it the offense DOES NOT help in developing more knowledgeable, multi-faceted football players at the level we need to see in this country. The proof is in the pudding and you see the results of that continuous improvement on gameday -- on average, the Bears are winning 38-7 in 2010 (not including the 2 "free" games from Pforzheim)!

Further proof? Well Fellbach scored on their first series of the day, but after that it was painfully obvious when the Warriors couldn't get anything significant going that a disciplined defense in a more advanced scheme can frustrate a one-dimensional offense and totally shut them down when necessary.

wall-e, I would add that the double wing can be used as a multi-faceted offense, you have the possibility of sending 1-5 players into the pattern on any given play and if you can effectively throw the ball 10-15 times a game it makes the run harder to defend....but you already know that. The biggest issue is that teams at the lower levels don't develop their QBs to be efficient passers, it is easier to get a couple of decent backs who can grind out 3 to 4 yds a play. So if and when they do reach the 3rd league or higher they can’t score enough points to keep up with the pro-style offenses being run by teams who consistently stay in the higher leagues, so they import a QB and try to change the offense, which usually results in a trip back down to the lower leagues because the supporting cast have never developed the skills needed to run a balanced offensive attack.

[Andreas Giese]

I agree. But i will never let this happend to the Warriors! Trust me, 85% of that Team are totally Rookies, the QB are a Def-Player who plays the first year as a QB, he learns his lesson the real way.... as a player!!!
Thats no excuse, let them play, and let them learn... a more few years,and they will kick your ass!!^^ loool Iam a old motherfuc.... who loves that sport, i support every team who willing to play with heart. BUT Teams are just bla bla bla..... fuck them!!! No excuses on both sides... Fellbach lost and the Bears win, but if i hear -the warriors are bad loosers because...... - HEEEE if some rookies said this, OK - let em growing and give them a chance!!
I respect your Team and iam happy you given my boys a lesson!!! No more talking. In Fellbach you will see a different Team. The Coaches are very good, and the staff are awesome. I think you will win again, but it will be much harder than in BB!!!

Baba

Um mal die gewittrige Luft auch in anderen Foren raus zu nehmen!^^
Meine Meinung zum Spiel Fellbach gegen Böblingen, nich das wieder jemand weinen muss ich spreche im Namen von Fellbach.
Fellbach hatte gestern nicht das Mittel um die starke Böblinger Mannschaft zu schlagen! Die Bears Defense hielt die Offense von der Endzone fern und die Offense der Bears hat ein schönes Passpiel. Die Secundary der Warriorsdefense ist noch viel zu unerfahren für so einen QB. Und der Offense der Warriors fehlte meiner Meinung nach einfach der unbedingte Wille gegen ein hartes Team auch mal über die Schmerzgrenze hinaus zu gehen! Strafen, Gepöbel und Nicklichkeiten - sprechen wir doch mal Klartext, es geht hier um den eventuellen Aufstieg in die Oberliga. Da darf es denk ich auch gerne mal etwas kernig zur Sache gehen, wir spielen kein Hallenhalma!!! Keiner braucht sich über ein Block in the Back beklagen oder über einen Tackle unterhalb der Hüfte. Geschenkt haben sich beide Teams aber auch gar nix und es blieb alles im Rahmen. Zusammenfassend haben die Bears verdient gewonnen und Fellbach muss hart an der Beseitigung seiner Fehler arbeiten!! Auf keinen Fall sollten das junge Fellbacher Team jetzt die Köpfe hängen lassen, sondern fleissig weiter arbeiten und aus dem Spiel lernen!!! Gratulation an Böblingen!!!

The Warriors were a very strong opponent and although there were a few players that seemed to have a reckless disregard for the fact that at the amateur level this is PURELY a game of competitive sportsmanship and fun, it was overall a very good matchup of two varying styles of play. On this day the Bears were the victors and I agree, the Warriors have no reason to hold their heads low -- they were simply beaten by a better team.

Both teams are young but in my opinion it is just further proof that instead of trying to dumb down the offense and defense schemes that we see in the lower leagues we should actually begin to expect more from the athletes and LET them develop their full potential as football players. Double Wing is an effective offense and can definitely be used to pummel teams into submission, but in the end when it comes right down to it the offense DOES NOT help in developing more knowledgeable, multi-faceted football players at the level we need to see in this country. The proof is in the pudding and you see the results of that continuous improvement on gameday -- on average, the Bears are winning 38-7 in 2010 (not including the 2 "free" games from Pforzheim)!

Further proof? Well Fellbach scored on their first series of the day, but after that it was painfully obvious when the Warriors couldn't get anything significant going that a disciplined defense in a more advanced scheme can frustrate a one-dimensional offense and totally shut them down when necessary.

wall-e, I would add that the double wing can be used as a multi-faceted offense, you have the possibility of sending 1-5 players into the pattern on any given play and if you can effectively throw the ball 10-15 times a game it makes the run harder to defend....but you already know that. The biggest issue is that teams at the lower levels don't develop their QBs to be efficient passers, it is easier to get a couple of decent backs who can grind out 3 to 4 yds a play. So if and when they do reach the 3rd league or higher they can’t score enough points to keep up with the pro-style offenses being run by teams who consistently stay in the higher leagues, so they import a QB and try to change the offense, which usually results in a trip back down to the lower leagues because the supporting cast have never developed the skills needed to run a balanced offensive attack.

[DrZoidberg]

then its in your hand as a coach to teach your players,
how to act as winners and as losers...
Soccer slides, late hits, etc. are just straight up bullshit.
Period.

Trashtalk, hard hits, etc. are football as real as it gets.
Nobody has a problem with that,
and if,
please play soccer or another funny sport.

[jdl33]

I agree. But i will never let this happend to the Warriors! Trust me, 85% of that Team are totally Rookies, the QB are a Def-Player who plays the first year as a QB, he learns his lesson the real way.... as a player!!!
Thats no excuse, let them play, and let them learn... a more few years,and they will kick your ass!!^^ loool Iam a old motherfuc.... who loves that sport, i support every team who willing to play with heart. BUT Teams are just bla bla bla..... fuck them!!! No excuses on both sides... Fellbach lost and the Bears win, but if i hear -the warriors are bad loosers because...... - HEEEE if some rookies said this, OK - let em growing and give them a chance!!
I respect your Team and iam happy you given my boys a lesson!!! No more talking. In Fellbach you will see a different Team. The Coaches are very good, and the staff are awesome. I think you will win again, but it will be much harder than in BB!!!

Baba

The Warriors were a very strong opponent and although there were a few players that seemed to have a reckless disregard for the fact that at the amateur level this is PURELY a game of competitive sportsmanship and fun, it was overall a very good matchup of two varying styles of play. On this day the Bears were the victors and I agree, the Warriors have no reason to hold their heads low -- they were simply beaten by a better team.

Both teams are young but in my opinion it is just further proof that instead of trying to dumb down the offense and defense schemes that we see in the lower leagues we should actually begin to expect more from the athletes and LET them develop their full potential as football players. Double Wing is an effective offense and can definitely be used to pummel teams into submission, but in the end when it comes right down to it the offense DOES NOT help in developing more knowledgeable, multi-faceted football players at the level we need to see in this country. The proof is in the pudding and you see the results of that continuous improvement on gameday -- on average, the Bears are winning 38-7 in 2010 (not including the 2 "free" games from Pforzheim)!

Further proof? Well Fellbach scored on their first series of the day, but after that it was painfully obvious when the Warriors couldn't get anything significant going that a disciplined defense in a more advanced scheme can frustrate a one-dimensional offense and totally shut them down when necessary.

wall-e, I would add that the double wing can be used as a multi-faceted offense, you have the possibility of sending 1-5 players into the pattern on any given play and if you can effectively throw the ball 10-15 times a game it makes the run harder to defend....but you already know that. The biggest issue is that teams at the lower levels don't develop their QBs to be efficient passers, it is easier to get a couple of decent backs who can grind out 3 to 4 yds a play. So if and when they do reach the 3rd league or higher they can’t score enough points to keep up with the pro-style offenses being run by teams who consistently stay in the higher leagues, so they import a QB and try to change the offense, which usually results in a trip back down to the lower leagues because the supporting cast have never developed the skills needed to run a balanced offensive attack.

Not sure what the hell you are talking about, wall-e and I were just pointing out that most teams in the lower leagues in Germany need to diversify thier offensive scheme so that when they move up through the leagues they are ready to compete....I thought it was a good tough game, I know lots of players everywhere like to complain about chop blocks, but it is legal and part of the game. That is why I told our players to just shut their mouths and play. It is our job as coaches to teach players the techniques to avoid a chop block, the only player I had an issue with got ejected.

[Rainer#74]

"Pummel Teams" und "the proof is in the pudding"??

[Rufus Tuniegut]

Ich sag mal

Aalen Limes Pretorians Bad Mergentheim Wolfpack Wolfpack +7

Ostalb Highlanders Backnang Wolverines Backnang+6

[Parker]

It is our job as coaches to teach players the techniques to avoid a chop block, the only player I had an issue with got ejected.

was it the left offensive tackle? During our game he tried to go straight for my knees once. I gave him an extreme close-up of the mud on Heilbronns field.

Not sure what the hell you are talking about, wall-e and I were just pointing out that most teams in the lower leagues in Germany need to diversify thier offensive scheme

when you dont have a passing QB, you dont have a passing QB. And by you, I mean we.
*sighs* but we can dream, cant we?

[jdl33]

It is our job as coaches to teach players the techniques to avoid a chop block, the only player I had an issue with got ejected.

was it the left offensive tackle? During our game he tried to go straight for my knees once. I gave him an extreme close-up of the mud on Heilbronns field.

Not sure what the hell you are talking about, wall-e and I were just pointing out that most teams in the lower leagues in Germany need to diversify thier offensive scheme

when you dont have a passing QB, you dont have a passing QB. And by you, I mean we.
*sighs* but we can dream, cant we?

Parker I won't dime the guy out on an open forum.....

as for QBs, I'm, not saying every team will develop a Great QB, but they can work with a kid and over the course of time turn him into an efficient passer, that can diversify their offense and make it a dual threat and keep the defense halfway honest. Its hard to erase a 2 TD lead in the 4th quarter if you can't throw the ball.

[Wedge]

It is our job as coaches to teach players the techniques to avoid a chop block, the only player I had an issue with got ejected.

was it the left offensive tackle? During our game he tried to go straight for my knees once. I gave him an extreme close-up of the mud on Heilbronns field.

Not sure what the hell you are talking about, wall-e and I were just pointing out that most teams in the lower leagues in Germany need to diversify thier offensive scheme

when you dont have a passing QB, you dont have a passing QB. And by you, I mean we.
*sighs* but we can dream, cant we?

Parker I won't dime the guy out on an open forum.....

as for QBs, I'm, not saying every team will develop a Great QB, but they can work with a kid and over the course of time turn him into an efficient passer, that can diversify their offense and make it a dual threat and keep the defense halfway honest. Its hard to erase a 2 TD lead in the 4th quarter if you can't throw the ball.

Every Team has its own personality, and yes a passing QB can be helpful when you have a O-line that can build a pocket and Receivers that can
catch the Ball and a Team that can stay motivated in a Pass Game, there have been many traditional Running teams throughout the history of American Football in Germany and they have been very successful, the key to all things is the true "Teamwork" If you have a good running game you can score just as well as with passing, if your down 2 TDs in the 4th you have made many other mistakes during the game, sorry but you see things a bit one-sided, A "Good Player" supports what his "TEAM IS" and not what he thinks it "should be", When I hear..." the missing QB or WR that could have made the "Big Play" instead of giving your all and being a true "TEAM PLAYER". that kind of thinking has ruined many TEAMS and has nothing to do with FOOTBALL!! And you think your Team is doing well because of a great Passing Game then wait till next Season in the next higher league after the 3rd loss when all Rats jump off the sinking ship !!!

[wall-e]

It is our job as coaches to teach players the techniques to avoid a chop block, the only player I had an issue with got ejected.

was it the left offensive tackle? During our game he tried to go straight for my knees once. I gave him an extreme close-up of the mud on Heilbronns field.

1) Lots of coaches have no idea HOW to teach the cut/chop block (HINT: you do NOT teach your players to go at the knees) so you have inexperienced players with poor teaching being told "go deep" when they make these blocks which of course is a recipe for disaster and winds up in many unnecessary and preventable knee injuries. If you have enough time to tell your guys go deep, then you owe it to them and the sport to teach that skill properly and REP it in training! Anything less and you are a sorry ass coach who doesn't deserve to be in this sport.

2) For those teams running a double or single wing let me give you a tip: stop crying about getting cut at the OL! If your coach was worth a damn he would already know that the primary way to stop those offenses since the 70s has ALWAYS been to cut block the OL in an attempt to cause a pile and prevent the offense from overloading you at the point of attack (POA) while also reducing the effectiveness of the pulling lineman. Every Offense Coordinator MUST know what are the primary defensive tactics used to stop his offense and then teach his players how to counter those strategies. If a DW coach doesn't realize that cutting the OL is the primary strategy to stopping that offense then he is setting his players up for failure by not teaching them that a) they WILL be cut if they play a team with a knowledgeable Defensive Coord and b) how to prevent it when the defense tries it. Once lineman in the DW know to look for and defeat the cut block they will come to expect it rather than cry about it happening. So if you don't want to get cut blocked, then stop running the DW! Its as simple as that...clinic over.

! And you think your Team is doing well because of a great Passing Game then wait till next Season in the next higher league after the 3rd loss when all Rats jump off the sinking ship !!!

FYI: The Bears had over 300+ rushing against Backnang...passing is exciting but contrary to popular belief, the Spread offense is NOT purely a pass pass pass offense and although it may be more memorable to recall the excellent passes during a game, the Bears have actually more rushing yards/attempts than they have passing yards/attempts this season. Just thought I would put that out there before people start calling the Bears a "passing" team.

Unfortunately, the Bears know what it means to lose together as well. But they have steadily improved on the field over the past 2+ seasons. So I am not convinced that things would all of a sudden fall apart when/if the time comes for the team to adjust to another challenge in a higher league that might result in taking some lumps/losses. Its all about expectation management and as long as you set achievable goals for your program and your players KNOW what those goals are then it keeps the team together and working toward the same objective. If the goal after moving up is to simply gain your bearings and adjust in year one to the talent level by consistently improving, the players will respond and wont "jump ship" at the first sign of losing. And if they do run like rats then they weren't the right type of athlete to contribute to the goals of the program any damn way!

[Stiffmaster]

was meckern denn alle rum die Bears machens so wie Danube letztes Jahr!!!

Nur gegen die jungs macht es mehr spaß weil man mit denen auch mal ein

bierchen zischen kann

[jdl33]

was it the left offensive tackle? During our game he tried to go straight for my knees once. I gave him an extreme close-up of the mud on Heilbronns field.
when you dont have a passing QB, you dont have a passing QB. And by you, I mean we.
*sighs* but we can dream, cant we?

Parker I won't dime the guy out on an open forum.....

as for QBs, I'm, not saying every team will develop a Great QB, but they can work with a kid and over the course of time turn him into an efficient passer, that can diversify their offense and make it a dual threat and keep the defense halfway honest. Its hard to erase a 2 TD lead in the 4th quarter if you can't throw the ball.

Every Team has its own personality, and yes a passing QB can be helpful when you have a O-line that can build a pocket and Receivers that can
catch the Ball and a Team that can stay motivated in a Pass Game, there have been many traditional Running teams throughout the history of American Football in Germany and they have been very successful, the key to all things is the true "Teamwork" If you have a good running game you can score just as well as with passing, if your down 2 TDs in the 4th you have made many other mistakes during the game, sorry but you see things a bit one-sided, A "Good Player" supports what his "TEAM IS" and not what he thinks it "should be", When I hear..." the missing QB or WR that could have made the "Big Play" instead of giving your all and being a true "TEAM PLAYER". that kind of thinking has ruined many TEAMS and has nothing to do with FOOTBALL!! And you think your Team is doing well because of a great Passing Game then wait till next Season in the next higher league after the 3rd loss when all Rats jump off the sinking ship !!!

Wedge,
You misunderstood what I'm saying.....I'm not saying everyone has to come out and sling the ball around the field 40 times a game.....I'm saying you have to be able to run and pass efficiently if you want to truly develop as a team. Each organization has its own philosophy on how it wants to do things but if you don't have a team that can function in all facets of the game you’re not going to go very far and then the fans are going to jump ship. This is not a condemnation on any team, this is just my opinion on how to help advance American Football in Germany and put butts in the seats.

[Twischters]

was it the left offensive tackle? During our game he tried to go straight for my knees once. I gave him an extreme close-up of the mud on Heilbronns field.
when you dont have a passing QB, you dont have a passing QB. And by you, I mean we.
*sighs* but we can dream, cant we?

Parker I won't dime the guy out on an open forum.....

as for QBs, I'm, not saying every team will develop a Great QB, but they can work with a kid and over the course of time turn him into an efficient passer, that can diversify their offense and make it a dual threat and keep the defense halfway honest. Its hard to erase a 2 TD lead in the 4th quarter if you can't throw the ball.

Every Team has its own personality, and yes a passing QB can be helpful when you have a O-line that can build a pocket and Receivers that can
catch the Ball and a Team that can stay motivated in a Pass Game, there have been many traditional Running teams throughout the history of American Football in Germany and they have been very successful, the key to all things is the true "Teamwork" If you have a good running game you can score just as well as with passing, if your down 2 TDs in the 4th you have made many other mistakes during the game, sorry but you see things a bit one-sided, A "Good Player" supports what his "TEAM IS" and not what he thinks it "should be", When I hear..." the missing QB or WR that could have made the "Big Play" instead of giving your all and being a true "TEAM PLAYER". that kind of thinking has ruined many TEAMS and has nothing to do with FOOTBALL!! And you think your Team is doing well because of a great Passing Game then wait till next Season in the next higher league after the 3rd loss when all Rats jump off the sinking ship !!!

@Wedge: was hast du denn für Probleme? Verlieren ist nicht schlimm Lern doch einfach daraus! Entspann dich doch mal wieder und lass deinen Frust nicht an einem Team raus, welches im dritten Existensjahr eine grossartige Leistung zeigt...etwas was viele Teams in 12 Jahren nicht hinbekommen