Parker hat geschrieben:most likely because they allow it in the first place, it creates the potential for a "grey line" instead of a very distinct line that separates two teams completely.
They allow it but with limitations (the 3 gms mentioned above). That knife cuts both ways though. If I had a GFL/GFL2 team and had a roster where alot of my inexperienced and 2nd/3rd string players weren't going to get alot of game time experience then allowing them to bounce back and forth to get some good football in their blood can be useful. We all know that regardless of the sport, you dont really get better by competing against teams/athletes that arent better than you are so this 3-game rule does give some leeway to do just that. Since the 2nd team can never go beyond Regionalliga, it is clear that the league intends that 2nd team to be a "feeder" to the first team and so I think this may be one where the league has struck a happy medium as opposed to going with a hard position.
However, when a starting GFL/GFL2 player is suiting up and dressing to play in the Landesliga, Verbandsliga and maybe even Oberliga for their 2nd team I think that is squarely on the coaching staff for poor mgmt of their player personnel. Wanting to win is admirable and is the primary reason why we compete in sports. But the focus of any program (note I didnt say team) should be the development of a sound foundationin which to grow and create a legacy that people will want to be a part of and that they will look back on with pride when they have to hang up the cleats. That to me is the difference between a team and a program...right now it seems the people managing the SHU2 "team" aspect of the overall SHU program are only focused on it being exactly that -- a team -- and not an integral part of the SHU program/legacy! Subtle yet very important difference that the league isnt responsible for mitigating.
Good points Wall-e. I will see that and raise you 1 more.......
It really seems that people in the verband want to complain that they have too much to do, not enough time to get it done, and no one ever wants to help them........
Until someone fresh offers to step in and help, then people feel that their roles that make them important are threatened and suddenly they don't want the help or the input.
They don't want to do the job right, but they don't want anyone else doing it either.
These things start at the verband level and work their way down. I can respect your points about a farm system. But it still seems to me that a solid line of "you are on either this team, or that team" needs to be established. Players should have passes for either the 1st team or the 2nd team, and at anytime the players from the 2nd should be able to move up to the 1st, but never the other way around.
GFLSüdFan hat geschrieben:Players should have passes for either the 1st team or the 2nd team, and at anytime the players from the 2nd should be able to move up to the 1st, but never the other way around.
Like I said, that knife cuts both ways. I would actually like the ability for some of my 2nd and 3rd string 1st team players to get relevant game time experience at the 2nd team level so I am not sure that making it only one way (2 -->1) makes the most sense either. Again I think the onus falls on the coach/GM to make sure the spirit of the rule is followed and not abuse the system.
Think about it this way: not all of the 50-60 players on the 1st team are actually GFL material so just cause you have the pass doesnt mean you are stepping on the field. So making it one or the other really hurts the lower level player trying to gain valuable experience/training in a program that has had success over some years.
@wall-e
Okay, that makes sense. But I still think it is wrong to have players that are starters or at the very least players who receive substantial playing time for the 1st team active on the 2nd team. Backups that really need the experience...... sure. Great fit for them, but starters or players getting a lot of snaps per game already..... that is not with the spirit of the rule.
Good stuff wall-e, your posts make a lot of sense and are well thought out.
GFLSüdFan hat geschrieben:I was waiting for a post like that as soon as I saw that they lost.
Naja, wer solche Forderungen stellt wie du muss damit rechnen Gegenwind und Häme abzukriegen
PS: Was machen wir nun mit Biberach? Am besten direkt in die GFL2 hochschicken, weil sie die U2 geschlagen haben und die ja bekanntlich gleich in die Regionalliga gehören?
I know, i didnt mean to be the "I told you so" kind of guy, but Biberach is not in the landesliga because they are not good, they have been there a while same as Heilbronn had been due to a lack of the number of players their team had.
they play hard football as well and dont give up even if they are behind and I respect the hell out of them for it
Never judge a person until you have walked a mile in their shoes. Then you are a mile away AND you have their shoes.
Nicht jeder Spieler der letztes jahr ein GFL Pass hatte hat auch gfl gespielt.
Und was is jetz dabei das U2 gegen die Beavers verloren hat?
Is halt so!!
Dein denken is bissl komisch GFLsüdfan!!!!
Bei der U2 und auch bei den Bandits2 sind viele "Rookies" die entweder aus der eigenen Jugend kommen und noch nicht reif bzw gut genug für die erste sin oder es sind komplette Neueinsteiger oder es sind "Alte" erfahrene spieler die nicht mehr fit genug für die erste sind und die sollen Regionalliga spielen??
